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Friday, November 13, 2009

Ramblings on Riggleman

The Nationals put Jim Riggleman on the phone today with members of the Nats' blogosphere - welcome to managing in the Internet age, Jim. Nice of the Nats to recognize the online world exists and afford the opportunity. We'll use some of the material gathered in a later post but today is for pontification and rambling and trying to make some sense of the hire. Here's what I came up with:

The past couple of days have been spent trying to get my arms around the whole Jim Riggleman thing. Good move or not? Bargain hire or proper hire? A guy who could be around a while or a space holder for a couple of years?

The conclusion I’ve reached is you could pick any of the above answers and come up with good reasons why it is correct.

I want to declare it a good thing. I like Riggleman and I’m on the record as saying I prefer good people over the opposite in any situation. If you have to bring in knuckleheads to win, I’d rather not.

Overall, Riggleman’s numbers don’t look great. For his career, he’s 139 games below the .500 mark. Of the 663 managers listed at, only 15 are as many or more below .500 and most of them were from the 1800s or the turn of the century (Manny Acta, by the way, is at -94 in less than three seasons).

But those numbers don’t really mean much. Riggleman mopped up in Seattle last year and Washington this year. That’ll mess with your numbers. How many really good teams did he have? You give him the Dodgers and Joe Torre the Nats, I’ll bet anything Riggleman wins more games. You give me the Dodgers and Torre the Nats, I’ll bet anything I win more games.

Tom Kelly is widely regarded as a pretty good manager. He went to postseason twice and won two World Series. For his career, he’s 105 games under .500.

Would anybody have gushed over Torre years into his career? No one talked about him as a potential Hall of Famer after his early stints. When he took over the Yankees, well, he became a lot better.

How about Terry Francona? Think managing the recent Red Sox team enhanced his rep a little over what it was with the earlier Phillies editions?

Retreads can work, if they have good players. If not, they’ll probably be out of a job again before too long.

What I think is a pretty good measure is this: Did they get the most out of what they had?

A good example of that came a couple of years ago with the Washington Capitals. They fired Glen Hanlon on Thanksgiving and brought in this minor league guy named Bruce Boudreau. Didn’t he end up as coach of the year? Hanlon wasn’t getting as much out of that team as was there, Boudreau got it all out of them and more.

You saw that a little with the Nats last year. Anyone with eyes could see they were a better team in the second half of the season. If you told me when Riggleman got the job he’d win 33 of the final 75 games, I would have taken that. Who wouldn’t after a 26-61 start?

Most believed the Nats would win 70-some games and I think a full year of Riggleman would have produced that.

But that’s not totally fair because Riggleman also had a different team than Manny Acta had, mostly because of Nyjer Morgan. Suppose Acta had Morgan, Tyler Clippard and Sean Burnett all season. Would we be having this conversation today? Suppose Acta didn’t start the season with a bullpen put together from Toys R Us on Christmas Eve?

One argument I’ve heard and read this week bothers me. Riggleman was chosen over Bobby Valentine because the Nats are not ready to win just yet. When they are, you bring in a Valentine type.

Interesting. I disagree. The Nats over the next couple of seasons, we hope, will be developing the core of the team that will be ready to win at some point. This manager will get Stephen Strasburg’s major-league career started, Drew Storen’s major league career started. You hope most of the winning pieces show up in 2010 and 2011 to go with Ryan Zimmerman, Jesus Flores (stay healthy, huh?), Morgan, maybe Ian Desmond and a couple of others.

A bad manager can really mess up that process. A good manager can help speed up the process, even if it isn’t reflected in his record. If the Nationals are really within a few seasons of being ready to win, this manager could be the most important in their history.

That’s why I wrote earlier that hiring Riggleman just because he was cheaper than Valentine would be a very bad idea. The keys to the future are in this guy’s hands, not the next guy. It better be the right choice.


ckstevenson said...

I think you are misinterpreting the argument about Valentine v Riggleman (sounds like a great court case on a tv drama!).

Valentine is the guy you bring in once all the parts are in place and you're ready to go. He's like bringing in a Nascar driver once you have your car all built out and running smoothly.

Riggleman is the guy who is going to help develop the talent, has the ability to deal with the growing pains, knows when to pull the right levers with young and developing players.

Valentine has one setting - full throttle. Riggleman (who is in essence Manny 2.0) is willing and understands that this puppy is still in second gear and not ready for 88mph.

This isn't about bad or good managers. It's about finding the right TYPE of manager for the condition of the team we have now, and hope to have in 2-3 years.

Rizzo keeps saying we're farther along than a lot of people think. However, he's also comparing his view to those who say "The Nats are one of the outright worst teams in the MLB", and to be fair those people make a very compelling argument. So maybe Rizzo think we'll be at .500 in 2 or 3 years. I have a small amount of faith that Riggleman can deal with that, and do a good job with a .500 team.

Valentine would have been Riggleman with the Cubs, win at all costs. He wouldn't have followd innings limits for pitchers, he'd say "I want Storen and Strasburg on day one, and get me 2 high-priced starting pitchers while you're at it."

My assumption is Rizzo said to Jim "We want you to develop this team, help it grow, turn it into a .500 team. And if you do that, you'll be given a chance to run it when it is ready to win."

Rizzo handed him the keys to a car that we're building as all us fans are in it. We have to have a driver who can go in 2nd gear while we are adding parts.

Riggleman is supposed to be that guy.

MikeHarris said...

Fair enough - to me the guy who can do that is a pretty darn good manager.

An Briosca Mor said...

I think it's a telling detail that they are not releasing the terms of Riggleman's contract, and indeed had him and his agent sign confidentiality agreements that they would not reveal it. Kasten and Rizzo are quoted as saying Riggleman is the long-term or permanent guy. What this means is that they do not want to fire him unless he totally FUBARs the team. This is the same attitude they had when they hired Acta, but because he was a newbie then they probably felt they needed to announce his two year contract with two team options. But unfortunately this put them in a bind because the press knew at the end of the 2008 season that there was an unexercised option out there for him, which immediately spawned the "how bad can they be before Manny gets fired" talk EVEN BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. I believed at the time they fired Manny that they really didn't want to do it, and I still believe that. If his contract status had not been out there all along, perhaps they could have held off firing him a little while longer, and he could have led the same turnaround that Riggleman did after the bullpen was rebuilt and Nyjer Morgan was acquired. Because we all know that that is what made the difference, not Riggleman.

So really, Riggleman is not Acta 2.0. He's Acta 1.1, with a service pack installed that hides the contract terms so the press can't start obsessing over them even before he manages one game.